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Post by Brian Sieber on Feb 5, 2014 20:57:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry I totally never meant to imply that anyone do any type of assaulting or bashing. It just seems like a really big uphill battle to get people who are already against our wonderful Pine to see things in a different light. I hate to say it but we the 2839 backers of the Pine are in the minority. Sadly most people will look at the Pine and think "who in there right mind would wear THAT?" With everything that is super cool about the Pine, there are those that will never be able to look past the size issue. And for those people no amount of features or convenience will get them to see otherwise. Will we encounter other people who are undecided? Possibly, but again, like us I believe it will only be a small group of people. The Pine, in my opinion, is a specialty device for a niche market. Again, I point out how there was a similar feeling when the Note 2 and Note 3 were announced. Now, even Apple is realizing that the "phablet" market is real. The same will hold true with this. People with little piddly smartwatches will see how easily and smoothly we operate the Pine and they will long for that life.
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Post by vancemo on Feb 5, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -5
What movie or movies am I going to have to watch to understand all this trenchcoat and matrix stuff Check out the Matrix, its the first movie of the Matrix Trilogy If you like that one, watch the other two: The Matrix ReloadedThe Matrix Revolutions
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Post by Elton J E on Feb 5, 2014 22:48:15 GMT -5
Buddha Ben 10 is also nice...hahaha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 8:52:07 GMT -5
This is the problem as I see it - sometimes I may want to avoid this: linkSo, since I already own a SONY Smartwatch 2, I will pair it to my Pine, and be able to use the many great apps for the SW2 that require an Internet connection. All the while, my Pine will be on its lanyard or belt clip, for when I need its full smartphone capabilities.
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Post by Elton J E on Feb 6, 2014 10:24:10 GMT -5
This is the problem as I see it - sometimes I may want to avoid this: linkSo, since I already own a SONY Smartwatch 2, I will pair it to my Pine, and be able to use the many great apps for the SW2 that require an Internet connection. All the while, my Pine will be on its lanyard or belt clip, for when I need its full smartphone capabilities. Good idea Jeff. When we're used to the size of devices we owned and used currently for longer periods, a little larger than the current will make us see them differently. Its not negative or bad perception, its what we called "used to" sense. When i change phones from 2 years 4.7" to 6.1", i feel like i'm carrying a block everywhere i go. After awhile, about half a year i felt holding my 4.7" htc was tiny and the screen is way too small. So now i carry both which dissolve that feelings and perception away. Now hoping for Pine to change my sight from 6.1" to 4.7" and to 2.44". I guess i wont have problem with that.
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Post by tamara on Feb 6, 2014 10:56:32 GMT -5
@the Buddha: Watch The Matrix. And bear in mind the context of a 1999 film where computers were growing to "terrifying" proportions and Y2k loomed around the corner.
The other two Matrix movies were not so great. :/ But the first one was epic imo.
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Post by vancemo on Feb 6, 2014 14:10:12 GMT -5
@jschall, I'm not sure I understand. Are you not interested in wearing the Pine as a watch at all? Or are you saying you'd wear it as a watch sometimes but not all the time?
To me (and this is just my opinion) that seems to defeat the intent of the Pine. For me I see the Pine as a wearable device for my wrist and not something that I'd wear around my neck or on my belt. To me if I used the Pine that way, why even have one? I could easily clip my current phone to my belt or if size was a concern I could get a smaller phone that I could wear around my neck in a conference badge holder or something similar.
The whole idea of the Pine on my wrist is the ultimate vision of wearable tech = everything I need is instantly accessible! I've been pine-ing for this since the days of the Casio Databank.
I'm just fine with the smaller screen size on my wrist, but I don't really seen the benefit of the small screen size if it's not to be used as a wrist device. If I was going to only keep it clipped to my belt, on a lanyard, tucked in my pocket or in my laptop case I don't think I'd be very happy with the small screen. For that use case, I'd stick to my current phone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 14:22:37 GMT -5
The whole idea of the Pine on my wrist is the ultimate vision of wearable tech = everything I need is instantly accessible! I've been pine-ing for this since the days of the Casio Databank. I'm just fine with the smaller screen size on my wrist, but I don't really seen the benefit of the small screen size if it's not to be used as a wrist device. If I was going to only keep it clipped to my belt, on a lanyard, tucked in my pocket or in my laptop case I don't think I'd be very happy with the small screen. For that use case, I'd stick to my current phone. Each to their own, but I kind of agree. It's a wearable watch/phone which I will use on my wrist as my watch, giving me instant access to calls/texts/net/maps etc etc with the simple lift of my wrist ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 14:28:07 GMT -5
This is the problem as I see it - sometimes I may want to avoid this: And to alleviate the above problem I hardly ever button my shirt at the wrist using the main buttons, I leave them open and use the button further down the seam opening on the wrist... Hence not having to look like said above photo.
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Post by vancemo on Feb 6, 2014 17:14:59 GMT -5
This is the problem as I see it - sometimes I may want to avoid this: And to alleviate the above problem I hardly ever button my shirt at the wrist using the main buttons, I leave them open and use the button further down the seam opening on the wrist... Hence not having to look like said above photo. Ah now it all makes sense. The problem is the rolled up sleeve. Sorry for misunderstanding. As our friend Randy Jackson is fond of saying, "I'll go put myself in the corner for a while."
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Post by Chris Vaughan [Teddi B] on Feb 6, 2014 17:20:05 GMT -5
The whole idea of the Pine on my wrist is the ultimate vision of wearable tech = everything I need is instantly accessible! I've been pine-ing for this since the days of the Casio Databank. I'm just fine with the smaller screen size on my wrist, but I don't really seen the benefit of the small screen size if it's not to be used as a wrist device. If I was going to only keep it clipped to my belt, on a lanyard, tucked in my pocket or in my laptop case I don't think I'd be very happy with the small screen. For that use case, I'd stick to my current phone. I certainly don't plan on having it on my wrist all the time. I'd probably clip it to my waist or in my jacket most days, as I work in an office and wear button ups, which it will NOT fit comfortably under. My current watch sits outside my shirt sleeve as well, but the pine is too large to sit that low on my wrist. for me, wearing it on my wrist is secondary. I like the entire idea of the small android device. I am not a fan or large tech. I still use and iphone 3gs, cus I dont like the new big phones. My ideal use for the pine is as a mobile device that I can easily take with me, that's unobtrusive and versatile enough to manage all my daily activities (in the car:dash, at the gym:wrist, at work: clip). I think it's the perfect size. if it ever gets smaller I hope it only gets thinner. right now it's about the size of a pager (for those of us who remember those lol), which was always MUCH more comfortable to clip to the belt than a phone.
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Post by Elton J E on Feb 7, 2014 2:23:21 GMT -5
The pine itself is about 14.2mm thick whereas a steel watch usually wore by many men such as the Fossil, Rolex, etc (name it, i dont remember much good in watch names), were mostly 16mm above. this should be safe to wear like any other wristwatches that are bulky/thick. .............. As Chris saying, not everyone would want would want to wear Pine all the time. there will be time when Pine is much suitable to wear on belt with clip, - during a formal or wearing suits at dinner or meetings (some suits have this tight sleeves, except thse like wearing loose sleeves (from wrist to the hand). - when playing golf, as the lenght of pine may disrupt the wrist thus will make the shot going off target. (we dont want any golf players say silly thing about Pine) - other suitable condition which will use the hands or wrist a lot. .............. driving is best use of Pine in my condition as its closer to the sight and easy to see what/who/where with just a twist when holding the steering wheel. connect it with bluetooth headsets and drivers are good to go. .............. doing sports with Pine would also contribute the cosiness and experiences such as joggings, cycling, swimmings, running, etc. ............. one thing i like is, since i like doing carpenting a lot, i will install whatever apps out there that has this balancing thing which i can use in Pine (Pine has gyro) to do that balancing planes and woods..that will be awesome..
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Post by idefix on Feb 7, 2014 2:41:22 GMT -5
swimming with the Pine will probably not be a good idea. I take the messages from Neptune way back when to mean that it passed the IPX67 test that they were trying for. If that just passed after some tweaking than the Pine would not hold up to swimming with it. The pressure put on a device worn at the wrist while swimming is much greater than the 1 meter 30 minutes the IPX67 test requires.
this test means you can safely splash water on it while washing your hands and could wear it in the shower. and when it gets muddy or sweaty while doing some outdoor sports in the rain or heat you can safely rinse it or wipe it down with a wet cloth. but swimming or diving usually requires a 50 meter waterproof rating or something similar.
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Post by Elton J E on Feb 7, 2014 2:50:41 GMT -5
swimming with the Pine will probably not be a good idea. I take the messages from Neptune way back when to mean that it passed the IPX67 test that they were trying for. If that just passed after some tweaking than the Pine would not hold up to swimming with it. The pressure put on a device worn at the wrist while swimming is much greater than the 1 meter 30 minutes the IPX67 test requires. this test means you can safely splash water on it while washing your hands and could wear it in the shower. and when it gets muddy or sweaty while doing some outdoor sports in the rain or heat you can safely rinse it or wipe it down with a wet cloth. but swimming or diving usually requires a 50 meter waterproof rating or something similar. idefix thanks for the corrections idefix. didnt remember about that. so then i'll be swimming without Pine.....aaaahhhh..crying in the rain.... ..... oh forgot one thing...will ask the Chinese supplier for waterproof case..hehehe..
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Post by idefix on Feb 7, 2014 2:53:05 GMT -5
...aaaahhhh..crying in the rain.... ...with Pine
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